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	<title>Comments on: Embarassing Dad &#8211; the Independent tries blogging</title>
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		<title>By: Wendy Grossman</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/01/13/embarassing-dad-the-independent-tries-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-22265</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Telegraph also, a few years ago, did the URL reshuffle thing; we had to redo my entire credits page as a result - and some of the pieces we&#039;ve still never been able to restore. (www.pelicancrossing.net/credits.htm shows the effects)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Telegraph also, a few years ago, did the URL reshuffle thing; we had to redo my entire credits page as a result &#8211; and some of the pieces we&#8217;ve still never been able to restore. (www.pelicancrossing.net/credits.htm shows the effects)</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/01/13/embarassing-dad-the-independent-tries-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-22173</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with you although there is an argument to be had that spreading your brand over a few hosts is a smart, although I think that&#039;s a difficult argument to win...

The Typepad servers do - like most servers - go down now and then. They have a blog which gives you a status report when things go tits up. Not that often, but it does happen.

A more important point which shows an utter lack of awareness is censorship. Tyepad/Blogger and other hosted blog sites are inaccessible to some parts of the world. This is not always a permanent state of affairs but, for example, in Vietnam I regularly could not see my own blog or friends blogs in Vietnam who were also on Typepad or Blogger. The Independent won&#039;t be immune to that. China, Saudi Arabia, Iran etc. all clamp down now and then.

As for whether or not Forbes etc. pay for a premium service where sixapart come in, build it all, charge a maintenance fee, but do not physically host the content, I don&#039;t know. I suspect their blogs are NOT hosted in the same way the Indy one obviously is.

Whatever, the Indy&#039;s is by a long stretch the worst of any newspaper blogs I&#039;ve seen and, as you say, shows an astonishing lack of understanding about where media is heading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with you although there is an argument to be had that spreading your brand over a few hosts is a smart, although I think that&#8217;s a difficult argument to win&#8230;</p>
<p>The Typepad servers do &#8211; like most servers &#8211; go down now and then. They have a blog which gives you a status report when things go tits up. Not that often, but it does happen.</p>
<p>A more important point which shows an utter lack of awareness is censorship. Tyepad/Blogger and other hosted blog sites are inaccessible to some parts of the world. This is not always a permanent state of affairs but, for example, in Vietnam I regularly could not see my own blog or friends blogs in Vietnam who were also on Typepad or Blogger. The Independent won&#8217;t be immune to that. China, Saudi Arabia, Iran etc. all clamp down now and then.</p>
<p>As for whether or not Forbes etc. pay for a premium service where sixapart come in, build it all, charge a maintenance fee, but do not physically host the content, I don&#8217;t know. I suspect their blogs are NOT hosted in the same way the Indy one obviously is.</p>
<p>Whatever, the Indy&#8217;s is by a long stretch the worst of any newspaper blogs I&#8217;ve seen and, as you say, shows an astonishing lack of understanding about where media is heading.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieren</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/01/13/embarassing-dad-the-independent-tries-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-22119</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammit, I knew I should have gone on about TypePad/Moveable Type and the different things you can do with them but I knew I would suck myself into an hour-long blog post.

You&#039;re right of course Graham, but I still say that it is highly unprofessional to have &quot;typepad&quot; in a media company&#039;s blog URL. In fact, I am still having trouble grasping it - it is a five-minute job to fix. 

But I also think running your content on other people&#039;s servers is also bloody stupid and unnecessary. What if TypePad goes down? (Something that is highly possible - if Google&#039;s blogging system can go down...)

Considering media companies are so obsessive about their copyright, it seems crazy to me that they then go and stick everything on a third-party server when for a few hundred quid you can have a fully robust system you can control.

It just demonstrates the complete lack of understanding - or interest - that the top execs appear to have. 

I&#039;m half tempted to offer my consulting services. It would take me less than a day to sort it out - and I am not exactly a sysadmin.

I would argue that this is more than just an issue of content (although of course that is ultimately the most important thing) - it is a case of what little grasp very highly paid media executives have of the Internet.

I am longing to read a piece in which a media specialist explains why the Internet isn&#039;t absolutely key to their future, but I don&#039;t think anyone can write it - the evidence is too over-powering. As such what we see are heads-in-sand and half-hearted, limp-wristed efforts to get online.

Oh well...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit, I knew I should have gone on about TypePad/Moveable Type and the different things you can do with them but I knew I would suck myself into an hour-long blog post.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right of course Graham, but I still say that it is highly unprofessional to have &#8220;typepad&#8221; in a media company&#8217;s blog URL. In fact, I am still having trouble grasping it &#8211; it is a five-minute job to fix. </p>
<p>But I also think running your content on other people&#8217;s servers is also bloody stupid and unnecessary. What if TypePad goes down? (Something that is highly possible &#8211; if Google&#8217;s blogging system can go down&#8230;)</p>
<p>Considering media companies are so obsessive about their copyright, it seems crazy to me that they then go and stick everything on a third-party server when for a few hundred quid you can have a fully robust system you can control.</p>
<p>It just demonstrates the complete lack of understanding &#8211; or interest &#8211; that the top execs appear to have. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m half tempted to offer my consulting services. It would take me less than a day to sort it out &#8211; and I am not exactly a sysadmin.</p>
<p>I would argue that this is more than just an issue of content (although of course that is ultimately the most important thing) &#8211; it is a case of what little grasp very highly paid media executives have of the Internet.</p>
<p>I am longing to read a piece in which a media specialist explains why the Internet isn&#8217;t absolutely key to their future, but I don&#8217;t think anyone can write it &#8211; the evidence is too over-powering. As such what we see are heads-in-sand and half-hearted, limp-wristed efforts to get online.</p>
<p>Oh well&#8230;</p>
<p>Kieren</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/01/13/embarassing-dad-the-independent-tries-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-22100</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem with the Indy using Typepad. It&#039;s a good service, reliable and fairly priced. However, what I suspect happened in this case is that either a) the paper got some highly paid consultant in and said &#039;we want a blog, help us&#039; and the consultant signed up for a Typepad account, raked in several thousands and fucked off or b) the Indy dumped the whole &#039;blog thing&#039; on someone inhouse and clueless who figured signing up for Typepad and leaving it at that would get the job done nice n easy.

The thing is, if you have a Typepad Pro account (or Plus account I think) you can map your url to your website/domain whatever, so that should sort out one problem you mention Kieren. Beyond the facile content, I must say it is VERY lame that a UK newspaper is runing a blog with a &#039;Powered by Typepad&#039; link in the left hand column.

Whatever happened has been done by the clueless, the cheap or a combination thereof. Martin quite rightly states the Times use Typepad. I believe Forbes use it too. I also have a feeling that Typepad was/is involved in TIME Magazine&#039;s blogs, but I could be wrong on that. But all these collaborations are way and above what the Indy have done. Or, really, hav enot done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with the Indy using Typepad. It&#8217;s a good service, reliable and fairly priced. However, what I suspect happened in this case is that either a) the paper got some highly paid consultant in and said &#8216;we want a blog, help us&#8217; and the consultant signed up for a Typepad account, raked in several thousands and fucked off or b) the Indy dumped the whole &#8216;blog thing&#8217; on someone inhouse and clueless who figured signing up for Typepad and leaving it at that would get the job done nice n easy.</p>
<p>The thing is, if you have a Typepad Pro account (or Plus account I think) you can map your url to your website/domain whatever, so that should sort out one problem you mention Kieren. Beyond the facile content, I must say it is VERY lame that a UK newspaper is runing a blog with a &#8216;Powered by Typepad&#8217; link in the left hand column.</p>
<p>Whatever happened has been done by the clueless, the cheap or a combination thereof. Martin quite rightly states the Times use Typepad. I believe Forbes use it too. I also have a feeling that Typepad was/is involved in TIME Magazine&#8217;s blogs, but I could be wrong on that. But all these collaborations are way and above what the Indy have done. Or, really, hav enot done.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieren</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/01/13/embarassing-dad-the-independent-tries-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-22085</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That strikes me as absolutely crazy - for a media organisation to run blogs on someone else&#039;s servers with someone else&#039;s name in the URL.

If people&#039;s servers can&#039;t handle Wordpress - what the hell hosting deal do they have? My god there must be a massive shortage of tech-savvy people in the upper management.

Either that or - as I know is actually happening at the Times - there is a massive political fight going on between the online side and the paper side. And perfectly logical plans are being blocked.

But The Times can shift fast - the Independent looks as though it has handed over its entire Internet side of the business. Surely they must be able to see how stupid that is?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That strikes me as absolutely crazy &#8211; for a media organisation to run blogs on someone else&#8217;s servers with someone else&#8217;s name in the URL.</p>
<p>If people&#8217;s servers can&#8217;t handle Wordpress &#8211; what the hell hosting deal do they have? My god there must be a massive shortage of tech-savvy people in the upper management.</p>
<p>Either that or &#8211; as I know is actually happening at the Times &#8211; there is a massive political fight going on between the online side and the paper side. And perfectly logical plans are being blocked.</p>
<p>But The Times can shift fast &#8211; the Independent looks as though it has handed over its entire Internet side of the business. Surely they must be able to see how stupid that is?</p>
<p>Kieren</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/01/13/embarassing-dad-the-independent-tries-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-22076</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Typepad might be an effective short-term way of quickly getting around having a web server that won&#039;t, for whatever reason, play nice with something like Wordpress.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://timesonline.typepad.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The &lt;em&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt; uses Typepad&lt;/a&gt;, too; they just use it to run decent blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using Typepad might be an effective short-term way of quickly getting around having a web server that won&#8217;t, for whatever reason, play nice with something like Wordpress.</p>
<p><a href="http://timesonline.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">The <em>Times</em> uses Typepad</a>, too; they just use it to run decent blogs.</p>
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