Comments on: Now playing: Radiohead’s In Rainbows http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/ An infuriatingly infrequently updated reflection on the Internet, the US, and life in general Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:44:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: MyKinda Tehnologie si Gadgets » Blog Archive » Fluxuri de activitate media – tendinte de toamna http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113995 Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:15:35 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113995 [...] In momentul de fata as putea scrie o zi intreaga numai despre feed-uri, micro-feed-uri si fluxuri de activitate media, din ce in ce mai mixate. Tendinta de a amesteca baze de date cu efuziune media personala si publica e in crestere, iPhone-ul e de vinzare gata hacuit si ne-ar placea sa intelegem ceva din tot parcursul nostru zilnic prin simulacrul multi-fatetat. Si, daca s-ar putea, sa si pastram, deci sa impartasim.       Salvarea de liste de adrese « de pe net » e un obicei din secolul trecut, daca se desfasoara pasiv, si nu se poate integra in spectacol daca nu e si implicat social. Experienta petrecerii de vreme in virtual e din ce in ce mai putin solitara si, pe masura ce ideea de “geek” (tocilar tehnofil multimedia) devine populara ne dam seama cit de multi suntem, de fapt. Pina ca (tot) rockeri ca Radiohead (pe care ii platesti cit vrei, desi par sa se fi razgandit si sa nu renunte de tot la un distribuitor traditional pentru “In Rainbows”) sau ca Trent Reznor (care se auto-reprezinta, dupa 18 ani de contracte cu case de discuri majore) sa faca public si demonstrativ actul de a raspandi media catre mase ocolind traseul clasic, toti am participat la construirea noului comunism media. Impartind link-uri in jurul nostru. [...] […] In momentul de fata as putea scrie o zi intreaga numai despre feed-uri, micro-feed-uri si fluxuri de activitate media, din ce in ce mai mixate. Tendinta de a amesteca baze de date cu efuziune media personala si publica e in crestere, iPhone-ul e de vinzare gata hacuit si ne-ar placea sa intelegem ceva din tot parcursul nostru zilnic prin simulacrul multi-fatetat. Si, daca s-ar putea, sa si pastram, deci sa impartasim.       Salvarea de liste de adrese « de pe net » e un obicei din secolul trecut, daca se desfasoara pasiv, si nu se poate integra in spectacol daca nu e si implicat social. Experienta petrecerii de vreme in virtual e din ce in ce mai putin solitara si, pe masura ce ideea de “geek” (tocilar tehnofil multimedia) devine populara ne dam seama cit de multi suntem, de fapt. Pina ca (tot) rockeri ca Radiohead (pe care ii platesti cit vrei, desi par sa se fi razgandit si sa nu renunte de tot la un distribuitor traditional pentru “In Rainbows”) sau ca Trent Reznor (care se auto-reprezinta, dupa 18 ani de contracte cu case de discuri majore) sa faca public si demonstrativ actul de a raspandi media catre mase ocolind traseul clasic, toti am participat la construirea noului comunism media. Impartind link-uri in jurul nostru. […]

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]]> by: Carlo http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113383 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:37:53 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113383 Your idea can be shared by the NON dominant. As a recording company I would know that in this moment there are no threats for me, therefore I would not go around looking for anything "Open" Yes, your idea opens a lot of possible applications, but it starts from the fact that you must share information. Where do you see the money return for the musician in there? I mean, how do you pay for something that is completely Open and how do you divide the income between the artists and the label? Carlo Your idea can be shared by the NON dominant. As a recording company I would know that in this moment there are no threats for me, therefore I would not go around looking for anything “Open”
Yes, your idea opens a lot of possible applications, but it starts from the fact that you must share information. Where do you see the money return for the musician in there?
I mean, how do you pay for something that is completely Open and how do you divide the income between the artists and the label?

Carlo

]]> by: Kieren http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113378 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:18:52 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113378 You don't think that the really bright thing for a music company to do would be to create an open-source file - which it leaves open, sends to the various format bodies as open-source and makes public assurances that it will always remain open source - and as part of that file, allow it to seamlessly integrate other information? That way, they use their great advantages - ready access to information, marketing clout, connections to the wider music industry (including player manufacturers) - but without trying to control the actual music itself. If I ran a music label, this is what I would be doing. Kieren You don’t think that the really bright thing for a music company to do would be to create an open-source file - which it leaves open, sends to the various format bodies as open-source and makes public assurances that it will always remain open source - and as part of that file, allow it to seamlessly integrate other information?

That way, they use their great advantages - ready access to information, marketing clout, connections to the wider music industry (including player manufacturers) - but without trying to control the actual music itself.

If I ran a music label, this is what I would be doing.

Kieren

]]> by: Carlo http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113373 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:08:02 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113373 Kieren, the DRM will always be a battle between the copyright holders and the hackers. There is no way that this could be won by the first. Apart from this I fear that DRM will not stop... ...however... I think that metadata like those you spoke about are not something I would save in the file, because they are some very volatile information (gigs and future plans are only relevant in a specific moment, and possibly location). I can see a better interaction with online dynamic metadata, available to some new generation MP3 players. The problem is that the market is dominated by few powerful lobbies, and playing against them is hard... to create a completely disruptive market you must be an idealist, knowing that you will fight against the windmills, like Don Chisciotte! I believe that something is changing, but it is changing too slowly in my humble opinion. Cheerio Carlo Kieren,
the DRM will always be a battle between the copyright holders and the hackers. There is no way that this could be won by the first. Apart from this I fear that DRM will not stop…
…however…
I think that metadata like those you spoke about are not something I would save in the file, because they are some very volatile information (gigs and future plans are only relevant in a specific moment, and possibly location). I can see a better interaction with online dynamic metadata, available to some new generation MP3 players.
The problem is that the market is dominated by few powerful lobbies, and playing against them is hard… to create a completely disruptive market you must be an idealist, knowing that you will fight against the windmills, like Don Chisciotte!

I believe that something is changing, but it is changing too slowly in my humble opinion.

Cheerio

Carlo

]]> by: Kieren http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113372 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:57:34 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113372 I think DRM is going to die a slow death. I may be wrong. It all depends where the market is. But, for example, I have purposefully researched and found ways around the protection mechanisms in iTunes and Windows Media Player and so on so that I can have my music in a format where I know it can't be controlled. My collection is defiantly in MP3 for example (although it's not really the MP3 codec anymore). And I will resist any move to have me shift to other formats. The problem is that the music industry has always dealt with technological advancement by providing different formats - vinyl to tape to CD. It started breaking down after CD - mini-disc, digital tape - but the industry is trying to find the equivalent of different digital formats so it can retain control. It will be an appalling shame if they manage because there is no need to have restrictive formats. What I think they should do is take the advantages that digital technologies bring. For example, given a choice between a free MP3 file and a file that contains that open-source music file but also contains meta data on the band, plus possibly the musicians talking a little bit about the songs, possibly some information about upcoming gigs, future plans and so on -- I would pay for the later. All it requires is a little creative thinking. Kieren I think DRM is going to die a slow death. I may be wrong. It all depends where the market is. But, for example, I have purposefully researched and found ways around the protection mechanisms in iTunes and Windows Media Player and so on so that I can have my music in a format where I know it can’t be controlled.

My collection is defiantly in MP3 for example (although it’s not really the MP3 codec anymore). And I will resist any move to have me shift to other formats. The problem is that the music industry has always dealt with technological advancement by providing different formats - vinyl to tape to CD.

It started breaking down after CD - mini-disc, digital tape - but the industry is trying to find the equivalent of different digital formats so it can retain control. It will be an appalling shame if they manage because there is no need to have restrictive formats.

What I think they should do is take the advantages that digital technologies bring. For example, given a choice between a free MP3 file and a file that contains that open-source music file but also contains meta data on the band, plus possibly the musicians talking a little bit about the songs, possibly some information about upcoming gigs, future plans and so on — I would pay for the later.

All it requires is a little creative thinking.

Kieren

]]> by: Kieren http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113370 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:50:15 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113370 I think you're right Anthony. To be frank, I'm not a big fan of mega-bands. Particularly concerts that are so huge that you only get to see a few specks moving in the distance. I am very attached to particular songs and artists and I don't really care all that much if any one else likes them or not. What is great though is discovering new bands from friends and also recommending bands to friends. It always has been - ever since we were swapping cassettes of 60s bands as kids during the 80s (I really don't like 80s music). With the rise of the Internet as a social networking tool, this pleasure at sharing bands is inevitably going to come to the forefront. And of course if bands are smart they will encourage a loyal following by using their websites and web places to communicate with fans. The music industry will always have to play a significant role, not least because most bands need help realising and shaping their music. And of course because musicians do not want to spend their whole time dealing with the business side of things. But I see (finally) the Internet bringing its own special creative destruction to the music industry's models. Kieren I think you’re right Anthony. To be frank, I’m not a big fan of mega-bands. Particularly concerts that are so huge that you only get to see a few specks moving in the distance.

I am very attached to particular songs and artists and I don’t really care all that much if any one else likes them or not. What is great though is discovering new bands from friends and also recommending bands to friends. It always has been - ever since we were swapping cassettes of 60s bands as kids during the 80s (I really don’t like 80s music).

With the rise of the Internet as a social networking tool, this pleasure at sharing bands is inevitably going to come to the forefront. And of course if bands are smart they will encourage a loyal following by using their websites and web places to communicate with fans.

The music industry will always have to play a significant role, not least because most bands need help realising and shaping their music. And of course because musicians do not want to spend their whole time dealing with the business side of things.

But I see (finally) the Internet bringing its own special creative destruction to the music industry’s models.

Kieren

]]> by: Carlo http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113368 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:34:55 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113368 Hi Kieren, the power of blogs is that they are spread and not centralized. For a music store I would like to have everything in the same place, without the need to browse many stores to get different music. More than this there is the problem of DRM: Radiohead did not set it (and I appreciate it a LOT) but there are many that requires it... ...there is space for an interesting debate. How do you see it? Hi Kieren,
the power of blogs is that they are spread and not centralized. For a music store I would like to have everything in the same place, without the need to browse many stores to get different music.
More than this there is the problem of DRM: Radiohead did not set it (and I appreciate it a LOT) but there are many that requires it…
…there is space for an interesting debate. How do you see it?

]]> by: Anthony Constable http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113367 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:33:36 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113367 I'm just listening to the album now (track 4) and I seem to be enjoying it which is nice. As far as the actual method of distribution goes, I can only see it to be a step forward. That is not to say it is a step forward TO any particular method of distribution, but a step forward to the day that music wont be locked into the major music companies. For me the music industry is evolving, VERY VERY slowly for the moment, but it is evolving. Music is taking the middle ground. It is now harder for smaller bands/groups/individuals to gain popularity. And also there is a backlash against the high CD sales etc, making larger groups/individuals less likely in the future. The net result will be a multitude of good/great bands that just don't get world wide recognition. What they will do is create amazing music, have a seizable following and importantly, distribute their music in whatever way they see fit. There will soon be a myriad of methods and music will - if not be free - will begin to fit the listener and the creator as opposed to the company. I’m just listening to the album now (track 4) and I seem to be enjoying it which is nice.

As far as the actual method of distribution goes, I can only see it to be a step forward. That is not to say it is a step forward TO any particular method of distribution, but a step forward to the day that music wont be locked into the major music companies.

For me the music industry is evolving, VERY VERY slowly for the moment, but it is evolving. Music is taking the middle ground. It is now harder for smaller bands/groups/individuals to gain popularity. And also there is a backlash against the high CD sales etc, making larger groups/individuals less likely in the future.

The net result will be a multitude of good/great bands that just don’t get world wide recognition. What they will do is create amazing music, have a seizable following and importantly, distribute their music in whatever way they see fit. There will soon be a myriad of methods and music will - if not be free - will begin to fit the listener and the creator as opposed to the company.

]]> by: Kieren http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113366 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:29:20 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2007/10/10/now-playing-radioheads-in-rainbows/#comment-113366 Hi Carlo, Well what I think will be the revolution is when someone creates very simple open-source software like blogging software that enables people to quickly and easily set up online stores. Then bands can do it for themselves - act as their own distribution channel. Now that would have some interesting knock-on effects. Kieren Hi Carlo,

Well what I think will be the revolution is when someone creates very simple open-source software like blogging software that enables people to quickly and easily set up online stores.

Then bands can do it for themselves - act as their own distribution channel. Now that would have some interesting knock-on effects.

Kieren

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